7 hydroxymytragynine, and Mytragynine psuedoindoxyl

[Just Alex]

I don't use Psuedo, because I can't feel it, but 7OH only lasts a couple hours for me. I only use it once per five days or so, but it's so short acting IMO

 

[GlenRunciter]

So, I've been using these on and off for several weeks now, here are my notes:

- For me, one 15mg tablet will take away all withdrawal within 15 minutes, YMMV.
also, it does potentiate well with other opioids, including adjuncts like DXM (active ingredient in tussin syrup).

- The taste and texture of the chewable pills is agreeable, which is a nice change. I used to wretch
when I had to drink that abominable, gritty kratom leaf tea.

- The transition from paracodeine (DHC, which is my drug of choice) to pseudo was nearly seamless.

- It's not euphoric, no pink clouds and fuzzies, but it does treat moderate pain effectively.

- Should only be taken on an empty stomach (which is more or less axiomatic for most all other drugs).

- Short half life, I have to re-dose about every 8 hours. This is a PITA, as it requires me to plan when to eat meals
in order to avoid dosing on a full stomach.

- The only adverse effect is a propensity to sweat 1-2 hours after dosing.

All in all, it is a good substitute for milder opioids, not so sure it could stack up against the heavy hitters.

What's the price point look like on these??? Seems like it would be very helpful to bring the "kratomtest" with you to the vendor so you know what to pick (and then you might still get screwed because the various runs could be inconsistent even under the same company.) So I can foresee some hit and miss on this little endeavor.

 

[GreenThumb]

I don't use Psuedo, because I can't feel it, but 7OH only lasts a couple hours for me. I only use it once per five days or so, but it's so short acting IMO

Does it lose all effects after 2 hours or do you retain some afterglow at 2+ hours? With pseudo, I'll be feeling fine one minute and then, all of the sudden, the restlessness hits my arms and legs and I can't get comfortable, usually right at around the 8 hour mark. This is very distinct from the effects of traditional opioids. With codeine/DHC, the first hint of withdrawal for me is always anxiousness and gastric distress, the restless limb syndrome usually doesn't set until the 2nd day.

These are very peculiar alkaloids, I wouldn't categorize them as opioids at all, their nuances are very distinct from traditional painkillers.

The next time I order, I'm going to get both pseudo and 7OH and try to stagger the doses. If 7OH is a partial agonist, it might be advantageous to dose the pseudo first and then add a small dose of 7OH afterwards as a booster. I'll do a few trials and diary the results on here, maybe we can find the sweet spot.

 

[GreenThumb]

So, I've been using these on and off for several weeks now, here are my notes:

- For me, one 15mg tablet will take away all withdrawal within 15 minutes, YMMV.
also, it does potentiate well with other opioids, including adjuncts like DXM (active ingredient in tussin syrup).

- The taste and texture of the chewable pills is agreeable, which is a nice change. I used to wretch
when I had to drink that abominable, gritty kratom leaf tea.

- The transition from paracodeine (DHC, which is my drug of choice) to pseudo was nearly seamless.

- It's not euphoric, no pink clouds and fuzzies, but it does treat moderate pain effectively.

- Should only be taken on an empty stomach (which is more or less axiomatic for most all other drugs).

- Short half life, I have to re-dose about every 8 hours. This is a PITA, as it requires me to plan when to eat meals
in order to avoid dosing on a full stomach.

- The only adverse effect is a propensity to sweat 1-2 hours after dosing.

All in all, it is a good substitute for milder opioids, not so sure it could stack up against the heavy hitters.

What's the price point look like on these??? Seems like it would be very helpful to bring the "kratomtest" with you to the vendor so you know what to pick (and then you might still get screwed because the various runs could be inconsistent even under the same company.) So I can foresee some hit and miss on this little endeavor.

Not coincidentally, the relative cost is comparable to other opioids (if we can call these such). For example, for me, dosing one 15mg tablet every 8 hours works out to be ~$12-13 a day. By comparison, I can take between 8 and 10 30mg DHC tablets per day and that costs me $12-15. I've noticed this price equilibrium seems to hold true for almost all drugs within a certain drug class. I guess that's market efficiency, or whatever fancy term the economists use.

 

[Just Alex]

@GlenRunciter It depends on where you buy them, and in which form. Tablets from head shops and gas stations, tend to be five to eight dollars per tab. Expensive. If you buy them from, Wonderland Gardens – The Wonderland Of Exotic Botanicals! – Kratom,Extracts,Botanical Blends, (7Hydroxy RAW--> Trusted Source of 7-Hydroxymitragynine RAW isolate and tablets , WICKED , Kratom Distro - The Last Kratom Source You'll Ever Need! , or KratomHeads | Buy Premium Kratom Online, they are slightly cheaper per tab, and you can buy raw powder which you must weigh with a milligram scale, it's very much cheaper, 50 to 70 dollars per gram. If you want the best deal, get the powder. These are just examples of the highest rated 7OH online stores on the 7OH sub reddits which is the best place for sourcing 7OH sources, there are a few more but make sure you read reviews because some of the lesser known ones are shady, the links above are all popular on the 7OH subreddit. If you want pain relief only, with no high. Get Psuedo, if you want a euphoric effect, get 7OH. It's actually best to mix the two at a ratio you find best for your needs

EDIT: sorry I don't now why I can't just post the link without the advertising text coming up instead. I've used only kratom distro so far so has another member posting on this thread

 

[GlenRunciter]

@GlenRunciter It depends on where you buy them, and in which form. Tablets from head shops and gas stations, tend to be five to eight dollars per tab. Expensive. If you buy them from, Wonderland Gardens – The Wonderland Of Exotic Botanicals! – Kratom,Extracts,Botanical Blends, (7Hydroxy RAW--> Trusted Source of 7-Hydroxymitragynine RAW isolate and tablets , WICKED , Kratom Distro - The Last Kratom Source You'll Ever Need! , or KratomHeads | Buy Premium Kratom Online, they are slightly cheaper per tab, and you can buy raw powder which you must weigh with a milligram scale, it's very much cheaper, 50 to 70 dollars per gram. If you want the best deal, get the powder. These are just examples of the highest rated 7OH online stores on the 7OH sub reddits which is the best place for sourcing 7OH sources, there are a few more but make sure you read reviews because some of the lesser known ones are shady, the links above are all popular on the 7OH subreddit. If you want pain relief only, with no high. Get Psuedo, if you want a euphoric effect, get 7OH. It's actually best to mix the two at a ratio you find best for your needs

EDIT: sorry I don't now why I can't just post the link without the advertising text coming up instead. I've used only kratom distro so far so has another member posting on this thread

This is awesome information, thank you so much.

 

[Just Alex]

Thelucky7s | 7oh | USA Is having one hell of a sale on 7OH tabs. 20mg tabs for $3 and 40mg tabs for $6

 

[GlenRunciter]

Thelucky7s | 7oh | USA Is having one hell of a sale on 7OH tabs. 20mg tabs for $3 and 40mg tabs for $6

Nice. Thank you for the heads up. Just a quick word of caution though, I've dealt with sites like these in the past and they can Exit Scam at any moment ... (I don't know how long they've been around so far, but I would be wary after 8 months or so. If these places make it one year it's a miracle. )

 

[Just Alex]

Kratom Distro has a stellar reputation. Where have you heard they can or do exit scams? As far as I know, that's a dark web phenomenon only. They take payment either via CC on their site, or some use venmo. Once they are payed they mail the product. AFAIK they don't use crypto. Exit scams don't happen with business like those of 7OH and kratom vendors

 

[GlenRunciter]

Kratom Distro has a stellar reputation. Where have you heard they can or do exit scams? As far as I know, that's a dark web phenomenon only. They take payment either via CC on their site, or some use venmo. Once they are payed they mail the product. AFAIK they don't use crypto. Exit scams don't happen with business like those of 7OH and kratom vendors

Okay, cool. I was just looking at the design of the web page, and it looks sort of slap-dash. Maybe "exit scam" was not the appropriate term. Maybe "fly-by-night"...I've been buying curious items 'not intended for human consumption' from clearnet vendors since the internet became a thing. Seen lots of these places come and go.

 

[Just Alex]

Ya their website looks low effort

 

[Charlie E.]

Just thought I'd weigh in with my experience. I had considered K as a substitute to my ongoing issues that were getting increasingly hard to manage. I read great things about it, and tried a few different varieties. I can't say I was terribly impressed with the results, but that could just me and my distinct chemistry. That was a good 5-6 years ago. Some recent frustrations led me to try again, and I did the research and went to a well-known commercial establishment. I tried it again - and ended up with some of the worst chest pain imaginable. I would (should?) have called 9-11 but circumstances didn't allow, so I rode it out. NEVER AGAIN. Just a heads-up. Lucky for those of you who haven't experienced this. It's out there in some of the literature as a possible side effect. Newbie here, BTW. Been lurking for a longtime, and decided I had insights to also share.

 

[GreenThumb]

Been on the pseodoindoxyl for several weeks straight now, completely off DHC and other classical opioids, but that's going to change soon, as I will describe below.....

In terms of subject effects, my views on pseudo have remained constant - it is mildly uplifting and slightly relaxing, but not to the degree of any classic opioid. None of the usual signs of a good opioid - heavy limbs, the knot in the stomach shortly after dosing (I used to love that effect), warm fuzzies, etc. It has remained very good for pain. The best way to describe it is an acquired taste rather than a full-on effect. As such, there's been no temptation to up my individual doses.

Here's the problem: tolerance rises exponentially on this stuff, I went from 12 hours before w/d set in, to 8 hours and now 6 hours - in just several weeks time. I ran out of pseudo last night, took my last dose before bed, and slept okay for 6 hours having very vivid dreams. I awoke at 4:00am, and by 6:00am I was in distress - full-on withdrawal. Couldn't sit till, running to the WC continuously, simultaneously hot and cold, any further sleep was an absolute impossibility. I was waiting on a shipment that was scheduled to arrive Monday, but I lucked out, as it got here early and went out for delivery today. I spent the entire morning watching that damn clock and killing time until the mailman got here at noon. I don't feel like the withdrawal was as bad as raw opium (that is an absolute nightmare) or morphine, but it was bad enough.

I really like the subtlety of the drug and the pain relief is great, but the short half-life and tolerance rise make it impractical long-term. I'm going to switch back to DHC as soon as I can get an order here, maybe by end of next week. In the meantime, I'm going to spread out the pseudo doses as much as I can, to try to get my tolerance in order. I'm also going to order pseudo once more to have, just in case my DHC doesn't get here or is delayed. If all goes well, I can just keep whatever pseudo I have left for a good, short-term backup. I really is a very good replacement drug - but ONLY for the short term.

 

[Just Alex]

A ban just took effect in Mississippi. I would suggest those of you who find this substance valuable and useful, to stock up. There is a schism in the 7OH vs. the kratom community, the later are writing letters and doing all they can to get 7OH banned. Kratom just by itself is a billion dollar per year industry, and they don't want that apple cart upset. I say fuck them. I use kratom, and I also use 7OH. It's stupid as hell for either side to call for a ban on either side. The dumb asses that are calling for this ban, don't realize that to ban 7OH they will have to ban kratom outright as well. Maybe they can make a law that says no more than X% of 7OH per dosage unit, but I don't know for sure

 

[GlenRunciter]

A ban just took effect in Mississippi. I would suggest those of you who find this substance valuable and useful, to stock up. There is a schism in the 7OH vs. the kratom community, the later are writing letters and doing all they can to get 7OH banned. Kratom just by itself is a billion dollar per year industry, and they don't want that apple cart upset. I say fuck them. I use kratom, and I also use 7OH. It's stupid as hell for either side to call for a ban on either side. The dumb asses that are calling for this ban, don't realize that to ban 7OH they will have to ban kratom outright as well. Maybe they can make a law that says no more than X% of 7OH per dosage unit, but I don't know for sure

Wow! I was just thinking about going over to the local "variety store" and picking something up along these lines. Don't know whether to go certain kratom strain, or just look for 7OH, or just looking for pseudo. No opiate tolerance and opiate free for quite a long time. Just want to see what all the hubub is about. (Or maybe just chill with some kava?) Hmmm.

 

[Just Alex]

Wow! I was just thinking about going over to the local "variety store" and picking something up along these lines. Don't know whether to go certain kratom strain, or just look for 7OH, or just looking for pseudo. No opiate tolerance and opiate free for quite a long time. Just want to see what all the hubub is about. (Or maybe just chill with some kava?) Hmmm.

Pseudo is only really good for pain, and should be mixed with 7OH in a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio, it will totally slam your tolerance though because it's a full agonist while 7OH is a partial, so it's not for everyone. 7OH will NOT cause precipitated withdrawal though, it's not the same as bupe.
If you have no tolerance, you'll be able to get a lot out of kratom powder. That's not to say you should not try 7OH, just take low doses till you get a feel for it. Like 5 or 10mg. I think this is the best stuff around right now. Get it while you can

 

[GlenRunciter]

Wow! I was just thinking about going over to the local "variety store" and picking something up along these lines. Don't know whether to go certain kratom strain, or just look for 7OH, or just looking for pseudo. No opiate tolerance and opiate free for quite a long time. Just want to see what all the hubub is about. (Or maybe just chill with some kava?) Hmmm.

Pseudo is only really good for pain, and should be mixed with 7OH in a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio, it will totally slam your tolerance though because it's a full agonist while 7OH is a partial, so it's not for everyone. 7OH will NOT cause precipitated withdrawal though, it's not the same as bupe.
If you have no tolerance, you'll be able to get a lot out of kratom powder. That's not to say you should not try 7OH, just take low doses till you get a feel for it. Like 5 or 10mg. I think this is the best stuff around right now. Get it while you can

I believe this is what my local shop has...would you recommend? I don't want to throw up ! Lol. (Opiates give me nausea at times.)

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[Just Alex]

They are all sweet, and are meant to be taken sublingual though they work orally just about as well. Those are pretty low dose, but if you're a first timer should work out. I would suggest kratom distro, Kratom heads, or W. Gardens7OH powder.tabs . Their tabs are slightly cheaper, and they have pure powder. Best bang for you bucks. Just need a .000 mg scale
Buying smoke shop tabs you'll pay a million % markup and it's not really worth it in the long term.

 

[GlenRunciter]

They are all sweet, and are meant to be taken sublingual though they work orally just about as well. Those are pretty low dose, but if you're a first timer should work out. I would suggest kratom distro, Kratom heads, or W. Gardens7OH powder.tabs . Their tabs are slightly cheaper, and they have pure powder. Best bang for you bucks. Just need a .000 mg scale
Buying smoke shop tabs you'll pay a million % markup and it's not really worth it in the long term.

Yeah I know but it's one of those spur of the moment things where I can hop in the car and have something in my hot little hand immediately, and not have to wait for shipping. LOL. I AM HORRIBLE AT DELAYED GRATIFICATION. I want everything Now Now Now! (I know that is not the healthiest mentality tee hee hee)

 

[Just Alex]

They are all sweet, and are meant to be taken sublingual though they work orally just about as well. Those are pretty low dose, but if you're a first timer should work out. I would suggest kratom distro, Kratom heads, or W. Gardens7OH powder.tabs . Their tabs are slightly cheaper, and they have pure powder. Best bang for you bucks. Just need a .000 mg scale
Buying smoke shop tabs you'll pay a million % markup and it's not really worth it in the long term.

Yeah I know but it's one of those spur of the moment things where I can hop in the car and have something in my hot little hand immediately, and not have to wait for shipping. LOL. I AM HORRIBLE AT DELAYED GRATIFICATION. I want everything Now Now Now! (I know that is not the healthiest mentality tee hee hee)

Go grab it then! It will make you have a *better* day , also Kratom Distro has 45$ kilos of kratom powder, not a bad deal at all.