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JenniferP

JenniferP

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I've seen a few months ago some stories on the BBC site relating to deaths in Northern Ireland from fake Xanax and diazepam containing high amounts of etizolam and proving fatal. From people's experience would you say that these dangers have always been persistent or would you say the situation is getting worse? I suspect gangs are cashing in on doctors reluctance to prescribe.
Alot of benzos came from Mexico and I was always cautious about pressed pills from there...
 
@JenniferP - I can't speak as to what is going on in Northern Ireland, but here in the US it is getting worse. There have even been reports of tainted product getting into the US FDA approved drug supply. As far as Benzos specifically, yes, Benzos laced with Tranq, Fentanyl, and lab-procured Benzos (meaning they are approved for scientific research, not human consumption and are much, much stronger than your typical Benzo) have all been found over here and reported in cases of ODs. Last week there was a report that in the Tenderloin alone (SF neighborhood) police had confiscated 42 lbs. of Fentanyl this year. The report said that was enough to kill the entire population of San Francisco. You should research some of the "Zombie" cities and neighborhoods in the US for more info (Portland, OR and Philadelphia (Kensington in particular) are good places to start. Take care and stay safe. ❤️
 
Adding Fentanyl to benzos does not make any sense to me, but it is happening probably because of sloppy cooks or because of its cost. Locally, as part of anti-opiate campaign in my city there is a popular TV personality who says his son died from one Xanax which was laced with Fentanyl...
 
I agree and others have said the same. It doesn't make sense at all. I saw something on the news the other day about a similar situation - someone took Xanax and OD'd because it also contained Fentanyl. This was cartel-related and the reporter asked a medical expert why would a cartel (or anyone) want to purposefully kill customers. The response was "there is always someone else wanting product." It has to be sloppy manufacturing, because as you said, people who need those drugs need them for entirely reasons (opioids = pain; benzos = anxiety/sleep) and they affect different receptors in the brain. I don't know why you want to take them both together. I would think they would somehow counter-act and not be (as) effective. Maybe if you are chasing some kind of high? I don't know enough scientifically to understand, let alone explain. Maybe someone else can help us both?
 
JenniferP said:
Adding Fentanyl to benzos does not make any sense to me, but it is happening probably because of sloppy cooks or because of its cost. Locally, as part of anti-opiate campaign in my city there is a popular TV personality who says his son died from one Xanax which was laced with Fentanyl...
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I agree, they are from different families and do different things. Fentanyl is a synthetic opiate and although cheap, not as cheap as manufacturing Benzos. Why lace a Benzo with Fentanyl? They do different things and if you want to keep your customers you give them what they ask for. It's bad business sense to give them a completely different compound. Then again there are a lot of morons in this world.
 
JenniferP said:
I've seen a few months ago some stories on the BBC site relating to deaths in Northern Ireland from fake Xanax and diazepam containing high amounts of etizolam and proving fatal. From people's experience would you say that these dangers have always been persistent or would you say the situation is getting worse? I suspect gangs are cashing in on doctors reluctance to prescribe.
Alot of benzos came from Mexico and I was always cautious about pressed pills from there...
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Black market meds have always relied on doctors reluctance to supply prescriptions meds. Responsible black market vendors fill that gap with legitimate pharmaceutical meds to help those that need them but doctors won't prescribe them. The trick is to find responsible black market vendors that provides a service for those that fall through the gaps in our medical services, not those that will sell anything to anyone and worse still sell different compounds to what the customer believes he/she is getting. To me that doesn't make good business sense let alone be totally unethical.
 
Also and this is just speculation not fact and is also not a judgement on the people of the countries themselves. Etiz being as potent as it is also getting tabs in lord only knows what potency, coupled with the personal experiences, the people of NI and of the UK tend to visit the pub out of ritual if not habit, so couple that in with what is known of benzos let alone benzos made in questionable facilities and of course the Fentanyl thing it may very well not be a "bad benzo" but a bunch of terrible circumstances coming together for the the poor souls who have perished to this issue.
 
Zen_Life said:
I agree and others have said the same. It doesn't make sense at all. I saw something on the news the other day about a similar situation - someone took Xanax and OD'd because it also contained Fentanyl. This was cartel-related and the reporter asked a medical expert why would a cartel (or anyone) want to purposefully kill customers. The response was "there is always someone else wanting product." It has to be sloppy manufacturing, because as you said, people who need those drugs need them for entirely reasons (opioids = pain; benzos = anxiety/sleep) and they affect different receptors in the brain. I don't know why you want to take them both together. I would think they would somehow counter-act and not be (as) effective. Maybe if you are chasing some kind of high? I don't know enough scientifically to understand, let alone explain. Maybe someone else can help us both?
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There are alot of results that show a high prevalence of insomnia among opiod users. An association between prescription opioids and insomnia was found even after adjustment for known risk factors. Maybe that is the reason...
 
Another drug bust in California reported this morning - cartel related. Note: Enough for 10 million doses:


It's getting crazy out there folks. If you are concerned about your meds and what you are actually taking, please remember to test. Some of us only want the medication we are prescribed/need and not all of the other stuff that may come with it.

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Interesting piece of info, when i developed heart problems at 38, my docs asked m if I used many Advil/aleve in my life. I had from suffering from terrible cramps. They said to never take that class of drug again and I didn't. Had no idea that I was damaging my heart with something anyone can buy in any amount. And this was 10 years ago so lots of people know about it.
 
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Interesting piece of info, when i developed heart problems at 38, my docs asked m if I used many Advil/aleve in my life. I had from suffering from terrible cramps. They said to never take that class of drug again and I didn't. Had no idea that I was damaging my heart with something anyone can buy in any amount. And this was 10 years ago so lots of people know about it.
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I developed a heart problem at 28 probably from overuse of NSAIDs and slamming Red Bulls like crazy. I was working a taxing physical labor job while going to college and as much advil as I took and red bulls I slammed I'm surprised I never dropped dead of a heart attack during that time. Moderation, always.
 
Synergistic said:
JenniferP said:
Interesting piece of info, when i developed heart problems at 38, my docs asked m if I used many Advil/aleve in my life. I had from suffering from terrible cramps. They said to never take that class of drug again and I didn't. Had no idea that I was damaging my heart with something anyone can buy in any amount. And this was 10 years ago so lots of people know about it.
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I developed a heart problem at 28 probably from overuse of NSAIDs and slamming Red Bulls like crazy. I was working a taxing physical labor job while going to college and as much advil as I took and red bulls I slammed I'm surprised I never dropped dead of a heart attack during that time. Moderation, always.
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I am sorry. Has the situation improved in the meantime?
Some heart diseases are irreversible, but smoking and alcohol are its mortal enemies...
 
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Zen_Life said:
I agree and others have said the same. It doesn't make sense at all. I saw something on the news the other day about a similar situation - someone took Xanax and OD'd because it also contained Fentanyl. This was cartel-related and the reporter asked a medical expert why would a cartel (or anyone) want to purposefully kill customers. The response was "there is always someone else wanting product." It has to be sloppy manufacturing, because as you said, people who need those drugs need them for entirely reasons (opioids = pain; benzos = anxiety/sleep) and they affect different receptors in the brain. I don't know why you want to take them both together. I would think they would somehow counter-act and not be (as) effective. Maybe if you are chasing some kind of high? I don't know enough scientifically to understand, let alone explain. Maybe someone else can help us both?
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There are alot of results that show a high prevalence of insomnia among opiod users. An association between prescription opioids and insomnia was found even after adjustment for known risk factors. Maybe that is the reasonThat's something I was unaware of. I'm on opioids and Benzos. My insomnia has been since childhood and I've been on Benzo's to help with that for years before I started taking opioids f...or my chronic arthritis
JenniferP said:
Zen_Life said:
I agree and others have said the same. It doesn't make sense at all. I saw something on the news the other day about a similar situation - someone took Xanax and OD'd because it also contained Fentanyl. This was cartel-related and the reporter asked a medical expert why would a cartel (or anyone) want to purposefully kill customers. The response was "there is always someone else wanting product." It has to be sloppy manufacturing, because as you said, people who need those drugs need them for entirely reasons (opioids = pain; benzos = anxiety/sleep) and they affect different receptors in the brain. I don't know why you want to take them both together. I would think they would somehow counter-act and not be (as) effective. Maybe if you are chasing some kind of high? I don't know enough scientifically to understand, let alone explain. Maybe someone else can help us both?
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There are alot of results that show a high prevalence of insomnia among opiod users. An association between prescription opioids and insomnia was found even after adjustment for known risk factors. Maybe that is the reason...
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Sorry these replies quoting posts are coming out wrong. Must be something I'm doing. I was just saying that the link between opioids and insomnia is something I was unaware of. I've been an insomniac since childhood and been on Benzos for many years before using opioids to cope with my chronic arthritis. I'm now wondering if it is the opioids that are making my insomnia worse. I personally thought opioids helped me sleep as they help my pain but also have a relaxing effect. Any thoughts?
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Zen_Life said:
I agree and others have said the same. It doesn't make sense at all. I saw something on the news the other day about a similar situation - someone took Xanax and OD'd because it also contained Fentanyl. This was cartel-related and the reporter asked a medical expert why would a cartel (or anyone) want to purposefully kill customers. The response was "there is always someone else wanting product." It has to be sloppy manufacturing, because as you said, people who need those drugs need them for entirely reasons (opioids = pain; benzos = anxiety/sleep) and they affect different receptors in the brain. I don't know why you want to take them both together. I would think they would somehow counter-act and not be (as) effective. Maybe if you are chasing some kind of high? I don't know enough scientifically to understand, let alone explain. Maybe someone else can help us both?
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Primarily you'd take them both together to relieve pain and anxiety at the same time, or to potentiate the effects of opioids. H and other opioid addicts commonly use both and may be addicted to both, they're also sometimes used for trade, and also as relief for withdrawals from opioids eg the sleeplessness, anxiety, RLS, muscle relaxation (withdrawals create a lot of tension in the body). There's lots of reasons really. It's a dangerous combination, especially with counterfeit pills of both classes of drugs. They both create respiratory depression so it's easy to accidentally OD, especially if they contain fentanyl or a strong benzo that the user is unaware of.

Some drug testing resources include WEDINOS in the UK and Drugsdata which is a worldwide resource. This stuff goes back decades. I would strongly encourage people to use these resources, they're anonymous and it does take patience to get results but it's worth the wait. You can safely post a sample, fill in the form, and send it off without repercussions (in the UK you cant be prosecuted for sending things in the post if you're not 100% sure they contain illegal drugs).
 
I've never heard of opiates causing insomnia. I certainly have never experienced that either. But I have heard of benzos, especially xanax, potentiating opiates. One of my biggest complaints about opiates is the sleepiness...

All these fake meds are no different than when prohibition of alcohol was in effect and so folks made moonshine which was also known to be deadly at times. We never learn... :rolleyes:
 
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relating to deaths in Northern Ireland from fake Xanax and diazepam containing high amounts of etizolam
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I would not be surprised if clonazolam or flualprazolam were involved in these deaths. Those two benzos are so strong they're dangerous, edit: Oh and oxy and morphine especially make it impossible for me to sleep They for sure can cause insomnia
 
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i've always drawn the line at pressed or loose pills. blister packs only and from brands I recognize and def not necessarily American made only. i know dangers can still be found, but I figure if you're going to go through the trouble of actually having a blister assembly line, you're not going to take as many shortcuts.
 
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