The importance of a stockpile

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Looking for things in shady places in my house, one day I found a blister of Oxy, expired since 2017.
Guess what, every pill worked exactly as if it were new!
I wish I could have stocked up then, but it's too late now... :)
Well it’s not too late but it’s likely more expensive. 😏
 
@tirorin, if anxiety, and the meds associated with this is your issue, It is so difficult to do it on your own. I have had reasonable success with tapering. You save a bunch of money these days and can still maintain. In a perfect world, benzos should be taken just when needed as listed on the script bottle. That is how most of us began. I got .5 clonazepam to be taken every 4-6 hours as needed. It worked perfect for several years as I only took it for social anxiety and other certain occasions. These meds can be quite addictive once you cross over to daily use it can make things unmanageable and then you get the constant rebound anxiety leading you down that slippery slope. Just out of alcohol re-hab a little over 2 weeks ago, a lady came in for long term xanax use. She was in detox for MUCH longer than opioid, alcohol, and other addictions. Any effort on your part is a wise move! Just remember that anxiety and depression are a part of the human condition to some degree. Best wishes to you! A less expensive option to inpatient 30-45 days is to got through 5-7 days of medically supervised detox. JMO?

I got clean once before because I was severely addicted - I was once suffering withdrawals every day waiting for the postman. Thankfully not dependent the same way I was anymore but I just need them there as a security blanket. I got hooked after using them daily and finding them helpful but tbh the more I used the worse the rebound anxiety was. A slippery slope indeed.

I got clean off benzos and opioids and try to use them sparingly now. I have a self-control now that I was lacking then. It's actually Lyrica that's my problem rn. 😭
You might have just replaced one addiction with another one. Have you talked to your doctor about alternatives to Lyrica?

Sadly there doesn't seem to be an alternative but I am seeking support from my local charity to get some proper help. I've swapped one addiction for another all my life and I am finally in a place where I want to stop, I need to stop.
 
Have a pretty good stockpile but the downside is if I ever get a CD and they break down the door I am going away for decades because every item will be trumped up as a separate PWID charge.
 
Have a pretty good stockpile but the downside is if I ever get a CD and they break down the door I am going away for decades because every item will be trumped up as a separate PWID charge.
I've worried about that too. I had a knock and talk several years ago and so for a while I kept everything at a friends (which was also stressful.) They would never understand that being in this endeavor makes one want to have plenty on hand considering all the things that can go wrong. Most of the time I've tried to have about a year's worth which seems very reasonable to me, but definitely would look like dealing if they came across it all. They'd have to tear the place apart to find it tho. Can't imagine that ever really happening, but it's sure easy to get paranoid...
 
@jaders Right while I have never even considered dealing I have seen some of the press releases they put out there for even the smaller busts. Except for the guns sometimes I see the pictures and think 'that could be my stash' and definitely get paranoid.
 
I stockpile everything I think I need, including both meds and supplements, especially if supplies seem to be dwindling. You never know when there will be a discontinuation, ingredient suppy issues, or moves to regulate causing a drought.

Cases in point:

N-acetyl Cysteine, for example, was removed from Amazon for ages because some higher powers were trying to stop the sale of it to ordinary people. Some big pharma, gov thing to get things restricted so they can have more control and make more money, I guess. I already had a stock as it's an essential supplement for emergency situations.

Pepto-bismol is now like gold dust. It is the only thing that truly works for me for severe stomach issues. I started buying up when it was disappearing. I think there has been an ingredient shortage, but not sure.

Buccastem: I use this for nausea related to migraine and it works like nothing else. I always have it in my bag. It's OTC, but has had several periods where there have been low supplies and it's been impossible to buy. So now, I stock up well before I need it. You can only get 1-2 packs form each phamarcy, so I do that.

I also do this for makeup and hair dye. Because things I like are regularly discontinued.

Most important of all is, of course, if you find a good IOP vendor, stock up before it disappears or goes rogue.
 
@jaders Right while I have never even considered dealing I have seen some of the press releases they put out there for even the smaller busts. Except for the guns sometimes I see the pictures and think 'that could be my stash' and definitely get paranoid.
Yep. I was thinking about opening up my disused TV and locating a lot of stuff there. In my speakers on the hi-fi too. I've got an alarming amount of pregabs at the moment
 
Building up and then maintaining a stockpile of your necessary medications is something I feel is very important. As all of us are within the same unpredictable world of the IOP, and the USPS, we need to try and be prepared. The disaster that hit the US on August 18 last year has forced many people to make some drastic changes in their ordering procedures.

More and more people are now willing to take the chance they have to take, making overseas online orders. The USA is in constant chaos over a war on drugs. Anyone and everyone who uses meds, legally and illegally, for legit pain needs and for getting high, are lumped together as one. We are all instantly labelled drug addicts and drug abusers.

The very nature of the IOP world is a gamble. The best IOP of this year, can turn into the biggest and worst ripoff, scam outfit next year. Therefore, I look at every order as if it may be my very last one. Because ,well, it really could be.

As I have gotten to know the forum, and read many posts, both to my threads and others, I have gotten to really like and appreciate everyone's willingness to both receive and give information.

So from my deductions, I think a majority of the people here are okay with ordering a ninety day supply of their most needed medications, but no more than that. I'm not going to argue for or against this logic.

So let's say you order a 90 day supply. Use it as per your dosage schedule until you have exactly a 30 day supply left. On that day reorder a new 90 day supply. You are now awaiting for your order to arrive, and have 30 days of meds in hand. Let's say the order comes in 14 days. Immediately take the remaining 16 day supply and put it in it's own storage area, by itself. This may look small, but it is the start of your stockpile.

Now start using the new order, until you once again have a 30 day supply left. Reorder. Maybe it comes in 10 days this time. Take the remaining 20 days worth you have left, and add it to the stockpile you started the last order. You now have a 36 day stockpile of doses stored away. Repeat this same scenerio every time. Even with varying deliveries, you will be able to add your remaining meds from the previous order to your stockpile every time.

It won't happen overnight, but you will be quite pleased at the way your little stockpile grows. Hopefully you never hit a snag in the IOP trail. It happens, it's part of the ongoing gamble we play. Maybe an order gets caught, maybe the vendor goes out of business or runs out of your meds. This is the time to fall back on and start using your stockpile. Consider it an emergency stash, as it should be. Look at it as your IOP insurance policy.

Now if you are reading this, you really have no reason to panic if any of these things happen. Being a member of this forum should ensure that you will soon have a new vendor. Don't delay or stall about finding one and ordering, as a stockpile will not last forever. It's there to get you through an emergency, and you need to end the emergency as soon as you can.

Your stockpile will also dramatically change your whole outlook on your ordering, and actually life overall. It will lift a load of stress off of your shoulders, just having the knowledge that it's there, it's growing, and it's a safety net to keep the worst enemy of us all away, the withdrawals.

I have some more advice about having a stockpile though. Some, maybe many people, just cannot handle the self control to remain on a strict ordering schedule. They also have a very hard time of staying on their normal daily doses. So many people just say" I see more, I have more, so I can take more. It doesn't work that way. There is a lot of self control and will power needed to keep a running stockpile going. I am sure there are many who have or are building one know just what I mean. If you stock up excess meds, then go overboard and use bigger doses, more often, just because you have it, you will have problems.

The short time of increased enjoyment from using more meds until gone, will be replaced with likely an even worse withdrawal than you would normally have. Not only will you be coming off of higher usage amounts, the depression of knowing how you depleted and wiped out your emergency stash, especially when in withdrawals, will be all the harder to accept.

So you can see, it really doesn't take a lot of money or making big orders to build up that emergency stash. I would advise everyone to give this an honest try. You might be pleasantly surprised, and will certainly be relieved of some stress. No more counting on one hand your remaining pills, while desperately checking and rechecking for tracking updates. No more sleepless nights, wondering and praying for your order to arrive. Heck, even for it to move from A to B! No more laying in bed shivering, barely able to get up just enough to use the toilet and check the computer, as you withdraw out of meds, begging God for the mailman to just somehow today bring that letter!

Ordering a 90 day supply at the frequency of every 2 months should be agreeable to most of you, no matter how cautious. I would just like to see everyone here waiting on orders while feeling fine, not stressing and in withdrawals. I would venture to say maybe some of the senior members who have been around here forever might just have a system like this. It could be the reason they're still around giving advice and helping people. That's just a guess though.

Anyway, this thread is for those who think it takes a lot of money or the willingness to make big orders. It really doesn't have to be done that way at all. All it really takes is self discipline and self control, and the strong commitment to making your orders exactly when you need to. I hope this might help someone who has never been able to, or just never tried to stockpile. Being ahead is the best feeling to have in the IOP world. I want everyone to have that feeling.

Let me know if you agree with any of this, or maybe you have a better way to do it. Somebody might even be against a stockpile, and that's fine. Feel free to share why you do or don't like the stockpile idea,everyone's opinions and advice is always welcome to me.
So true
 
I always try to keep extras on hand in case something happens where I can't get them, even through a legit source it has happened before
 
My pile is getting low but after twenty years so are my sources. Gladly mine is only benzos but a cop seeing it as a foreign med would definitely think dealing. Me and some neighbors ran one trafficker and two dealers out of my block so good relationship with local police supervisor. No buys or testimony just intelligence. We knew who and just needed when.Really don't need that around my 23 year old daughter.
 
Have a pretty good stockpile but the downside is if I ever get a CD and they break down the door I am going away for decades because every item will be trumped up as a separate PWID charge.
I've worried about that too. I had a knock and talk several years ago and so for a while I kept everything at a friends (which was also stressful.) They would never understand that being in this endeavor makes one want to have plenty on hand considering all the things that can go wrong. Most of the time I've tried to have about a year's worth which seems very reasonable to me, but definitely would look like dealing if they came across it all. They'd have to tear the place apart to find it tho. Can't imagine that ever really happening, but it's sure easy to get paranoid...
Did you get the knock buying from CR? I did. DEA and Postal Inspector something. I just gave them info they already knew and they gave me a swift warning. They said no one would prosecute me since I have legit health problems. I dont trust cops or feds and should have done my legal homework to guide my response. Anything overseas goes to my dog. Plausible deniability.
 
Have a pretty good stockpile but the downside is if I ever get a CD and they break down the door I am going away for decades because every item will be trumped up as a separate PWID charge.
I've worried about that too. I had a knock and talk several years ago and so for a while I kept everything at a friends (which was also stressful.) They would never understand that being in this endeavor makes one want to have plenty on hand considering all the things that can go wrong. Most of the time I've tried to have about a year's worth which seems very reasonable to me, but definitely would look like dealing if they came across it all. They'd have to tear the place apart to find it tho. Can't imagine that ever really happening, but it's sure easy to get paranoid...
Did you get the knock buying from CR? I did. DEA and Postal Inspector something. I just gave them info they already knew and they gave me a swift warning. They said no one would prosecute me since I have legit health problems. I dont trust cops or feds and should have done my legal homework to guide my response. Anything overseas goes to my dog. Plausible deniability.
No, it was over Lord's. They seemed most interested in them because they claimed an actual MD was signing off on the RX's.
 
I've been without a stockpile for a year now. I made the mistake of telling my doctor how much clonazepam I had saved up (from Lords). I have a prescription from them for diazepam now, but I couldn't get it until I'd used up all my clonazepam.

I've tried to live the medically supervised life, but I can only get diazepam and it doesn't work for me at all.

I've been a catastrophe. I used Lords and its predecessors for so long I got complacent and had no other sources.

Now I have returned here with my tail between my legs.
 
I've been without a stockpile for a year now. I made the mistake of telling my doctor how much clonazepam I had saved up (from Lords). I have a prescription from them for diazepam now, but I couldn't get it until I'd used up all my clonazepam.

I've tried to live the medically supervised life, but I can only get diazepam and it doesn't work for me at all.

I've been a catastrophe. I used Lords and its predecessors for so long I got complacent and had no other sources.

Now I have returned here with my tail between my legs.
Isn't it sad how being honest with doctors usually means you get punished. And that doctors claim they want honesty yet they reward it with a complete lack of trust in the patient's opinion as well. When you tell them that diazepam doesn't work, but the clonazepam did, what's the problem with them switching you?

Anyway - stick around. There are definitely options for your needs and it will make you feel much better to not have to deal with these power/ego driven folks.
 
When you tell them that diazepam doesn't work, but the clonazepam did, what's the problem with them switching you?
I'm in the UK and it's not prescribed in the NHS for what I'm diagnosed with (though it is prescribed for other things).
 
I've been without a stockpile for a year now. I made the mistake of telling my doctor how much clonazepam I had saved up (from Lords). I have a prescription from them for diazepam now, but I couldn't get it until I'd used up all my clonazepam.

I've tried to live the medically supervised life, but I can only get diazepam and it doesn't work for me at all.

I've been a catastrophe. I used Lords and its predecessors for so long I got complacent and had no other sources.

Now I have returned here with my tail between my legs.
I was in pretty much the same situation, it all worked fine for years until they disappeared. Keep posting and you’ll soon reach seniors again.
 
My stockpile was Zopiclone. Obviously I had huge trouble sleeping and the thought of not having a stock or worrying that the docs would stop prescribing it was the reason for it. But over the last couple of years I've managed to wean myself down to the occasional tablet, so the importance of storing a bunch of them doesn't seem as important now.

I know they keep their potency well, well beyond their use by date - but I did end up binning some 2017 packets the other day, which seemed like a strange thing for me to do.
 
@Lizziew I'm very nearly there.

Also I would like to point out that you and I are forum-join-date twins. :D
 
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