Why don’t you use the darkweb?

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For those who don’t use the darkweb, what are your reasons? Mine is because I don’t know loads about computers or crypto so it was a lot to take in. I got a virus on my computer from downloading a online wallet thing and had to reset my computer to factory settings which sucked. The whole process of trying to encrypt my address and pay and find what I wanted was super slow and stressful. Anyway, even after all of that my stuff still didn’t arrive. :( so yeah…. I know some people say darkweb is easier but not in my experience. I just had to jump over way more hurdles to get scammed. Wondering what other people’s reasons are for not using the darkweb?
 
I never found a need for it as I was able to find everything I needed through this site. Within about a month I was a senior member and found good sources for the meds I wanted. Good luck I hope it works out for you here.
 
most folks here are just looking for difficult to obtain off-the-shelf meds that used to be widely available in the 2000-2010's. many of those meds are almost impossible to find now.

if you have to crypto, hide your IP, use a TOR, etc... that's more like 'drugs'. people are here for needed meds, fun drugs are across the street.
 
simple answer no real need long answer the dark web is no safter then the clear web there are scammers if not more of them on the dark web then clear web plus the whole markets and stuff i dont know what ones up down left or right who the feds are on to who they are not i would rather trust the reviews here then risk the dark web
 
most folks here are just looking for difficult to obtain off-the-shelf meds that used to be widely available in the 2000-2010's. many of those meds are almost impossible to find now.

if you have to crypto, hide your IP, use a TOR, etc... that's more like 'drugs'. people are here for needed meds, fun drugs are across the street.
Ah that makes sense. Yeah on the darkweb there were millions of adverts for party pills and things for super cheap but hardly and painkillers and the ones available were super expensive so I guess it isn’t the best market for it. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that!
 
simple answer no real need long answer the dark web is no safter then the clear web there are scammers if not more of them on the dark web then clear web plus the whole markets and stuff i dont know what ones up down left or right who the feds are on to who they are not i would rather trust the reviews here then risk the dark web
Yeah I definitely agree that it doesn’t seem safer, if anything way more dodgy because everything is so hard to track on purpose it makes it so easy for scammers. I never understood the mentality of ‘just got on the darkweb’ like it’s super easy to do whenever. It was such a pain in the ass and yeah I just got scammed in the end anyway
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using caution, and more is always better than less. VPN’s will protect you from things like advertisers and other things worth protecting, but even the companies that promise that they keep no logs off your activity, have been caught doing just that. My point is that VPN’s are definitely worth using, but are far from absolute anonymity. Bitcoin is traceable, so again it is safer than other things, but it far from 100% perfect. The supposedly only true and secure crypto is called Monero. I think they probably cracked it, but keep it quiet. If they had absolutely no way to monitor it, they would have banned it. Obviously, nobody is wasting their time on petty things, but I don’t think it is completely secure. If there was a way that people with bad intentions could move around money, completely under the radar, there is only a few possibilities. They cracked it, and just keep it quiet, they are on the verge of cracking it, and have already done so, to som extent. I truly believe that they would just abolish it, if it really evades their scrutiny.

The next controversial thing I will say is I truly doubt the dark web is completely secure. The alphabet agencies have the smartest people in the world, and recruit from Stanford, MIT, and all the Ivies. Before anyone thinks I am just paranoid, there are national security reasons that they could not have been trying to reverse engineer TOR, and the rest of the dark net, the moment they realized the risks involved.. If they haven’t cracked it, they will, and if it hasn’t happened yet, they are working on it 24/7. As much as I don’t like government overreach, as much, or more as the next person, and this is a very slippery slope, but if they have to watch this stuff to keep people safe, that is their mandate.

So with all of the above, I think we are a just a nuisance, and while they would never openly condone what we talk about here, I don’t think they care. They have much bigger fish to fry. While we are all subject to high tech surveillance, if it is for target marketing, I find that offensive, but since neither political party is going to really crack down on Silicon Valley, there are a few brave members of both parties that are trying their best. Of course as long as our gov runs on lobbying, and the tech titans will spend whatever it takes, it is, and will stay a completely uphill battle.

When it comes to keeping us safe, again with my point that we have no say in it anyway, I would rather have them keeping us safe, and let them surveil away, but the real question is does that happen without abuse and overreach?

If you aren’t aware, there is not one international email, or text, that is not observed. That is openly admitted to. The problem arises when they suck up all domestic metadata, which was originally denied, but later confirmed. Clearly a violation of the 4th Amendment, but that seems to not matter. They do it, and there is not much we are going to do to stop it. Only Congress could truly stop it, but they either don’t want to, most likely because they have been convinced that the end justifies the means.

I will end with this pearl of wisdom. Should they be accumulating every single email and text we ever make, and storing them in massive server farms? If they are going to do it anyway, and something like our Constitution is not going to get in their way, the best we can do is accept it, and hope that they don’t abuse it.

By the way, I am not saying I agree with any of this, but it’s not like we have any say in it, so acceptance, and the hope that they only use it for the reasons they use to justify it, are the best we can hope for. I already have broached the slippery slope aspects, but I think we all would trade away our privacy, to prevent another 9/11. I understand the irony in that comment. That event forever changed our privacy rights forever. That was what made them pivot to mass surveillance. Now that the irony is gone, and they are going to use surveillance on everyone, I guess I can live with that, if it will prevent our enemies from getting away with another attack on our country, and by default, all of our members, from our allies, are all in the same boat. I am not suggesting that we should celebrate mass surveillance, I am only suggesting that as long as they are going to do it, we can hope that it actually accomplishes its intended purpose.
 
A while ago I figured out Bitcoin. Only recently I have figured out the Dark Web. What is stopping me now is a vendor’s requirement to use PGP encryption. I generally get it, and have the tools, but explanations are confusing. When to use my public key; when to use the vendor’s; even more confusing is vendor request to use both. Yeeesh!
 
Both the darknet and clearnet can be dangerous if you are careless. The darknet however, is much harder to track down, virtually impossible if you take normal precautions. The main risk from the dark net is rip off. You can't go to the cops if it doesn't arrive. Of course thats true of the clearnet as well.

All the dark market places are rated by users on message boards like this one. If its been around a while and people are getting their stuff then its probably fine. The individual vendors also have a feedback rating from customers. So its a similar process as you go through buying from the clearnet.

One advantage of the darknet is that its uncrackable as long as your transaction takes place only over tor. If you use tor to access the clearnet, they could theoretically unmask you, but its very hard. Your orders and all messages go over tor and are further encoded by pgp so that even the owners of the dark site can't read your messages. The government is totally in the dark and doesn't know who you are or your address

On the clear net you send mostly open un-encrypted messages with your shipping address. You pay by pp or cc if you can. The government already has all that in their massive data storage dump in utah. Any time they feel like it they can do a surveillance and a controlled delivery. Clearnet buyers use the king kong strategy. What can you do to protect yourself from king kong? Lay low and hope he doesn't see you.

On the dark net you have ultra secure tor and pgp. The only downside is its a little technical to set up. There are many steps. However, its all doable and once its set up you are super secure and can start searching for new vendors.

If the government decides to crack down on the little guys since they can't catch any big guys, they will start busting right and left starting with the larger orders and working their way down to your 30 pill order which is technically a felony. Then the only ones not at risk are those who took the precautions, tor and pgp
 
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